Thursday, March 02, 2006 9:48 PM
by
will
Google's Brin on operating in China
Having
recently suggested
that it was important for the founders of US Internet companies at the
heart of the China/Censorship issue to address it themselves, I was
interested to see that Segey Brin of Google has in fact done so. He
didn't do it in direct discussion with media, but in response to a
question posed by an analyst at the Google Analyst Day conference, held
yesterday in the US. CNET has published a
partial transcript of the session and
an MP3
(3MB download) of the China question. Because the transcript was
incomplete, I transcribed it myself (below), leaving out part of the
question that was on attracting quality employees. A complete webcast
of the session is available via Google's investor relations page
here, but it's hard to find specific material in it.
Question: On government relations I'd really love to
hear how you think governments like China and the US () you go to take
over the world, did your accommodating posture in China really
undermine your tough position that you're taking with the DOJ? And how
do you think about the limits to growth created by the governments in
the forty-six countries you operate in?
Sergey Brin: OK, so - DOJ; China; conquering the world;
attracting employees. I'll start on the conquering the world part.
We're currently not planning on conquering the world. [Laughter]
Eric Schmidt: (Joking) Be careful Sergey.
Sergey Brin: On the question of China, that was an issue that
was dear to my heart because I was born in Moscow in the Soviet Union
during the communist era, and, in fact, all of our intuition and our
decision was to not curtail our searches, or not censor them in any
way. In fact we did not do that. We didn't do that at Stanford at our
founding. We didn't do that a few years ago when our search engine was
completely cut off from China, not once but several times. But we
gradually came to the realization --I myself did-- that in fact we were
hurting not just ourselves but the Chinese people. And having spent
time talking to students who were at Tian'anmen Square in '89 and human
rights organizations and just the Chinese [as I was] visiting China,
seeing students who could not access Google at all because they had to
pay significant international bandwidth fees, we eventually came to the
conclusion that we were doing greater disservice to the Chinese people
by not offering Google at all. Now, we'll see how that evolves.
Obviously that doesn't mean that we're just willing to do anything that
is requested of us, and we've drawn some pretty tough, tight bounds.
In the DOJ case, we felt that the request was really overreaching on a
variety of levels. One is privacy. As I pointed out it's large although
not entire ameliorated by the fact that it's not with IP addresses and
cookies. But also, it's a question of, you know, should we be doing the
homework for the government? And I believe it is a slippery slope. I
don't think it's a good path to go down. We're fighting that, and we'll
see what the outcome is [cut off].
It doesn't say much new. Brin repeats Google's published position that
they feel it is better for Chinese users that they are in China even in
an abridged form than not in China at all. He also suggests that there
is a line that they won't cross in terms of acceding to Chinese
government requests, although he does not suggest where that might be.
You can tell this is a financial analyst conference and not a press
conference because no one asks the obvious follow-up question about
that. There is something else I find interesting in Brin's reply, which
is that he frames the decision to open an restricted, localized Chinese
service in terms of the alternative being complete inaccessibility of
Google to Chinese users. While that was true a few years ago, when
Google was blocked, it hasn't been true for some time. In fact, the
current decision is between a restricted, localized service and the
unrestricted but government-filtered global service. This is a more
nuanced question.
Brin also reminded the attendees that he himself was born in the Soviet
Union. While he has spent most of his life in the US, that gives him
some credibility on this issue from a PR standpoint. It is certainly
more impactful to hear Google's explanations coming from Brin than from
VP of Global Communication Elliot Schrage (who spoke at the recent
congressional hearings) or from general press statements.
This was a pretty cursory touch on the controversy. Will there be more?
I would be interested to see more openness from the founders, but I
suspect it will not be forthcoming. Google is under pressure to be more
open with analysts due to their recent
stock woes. They may not feel the same way about journalists-at-large.
On a related point, Rebecca MacKinnon
today comments on Rep. Chris Smith's
Wall Street Journal editorial (subscription)
calling for passage of the Global Online Freedom Act, which he
sponsored. Although she agrees with some parts of the bill, she
criticizes the bill in its current form, noting:
There are some other things in the bill as it currently stands that I disagree with and which I discussed in an article I wrote for The Nation.
The act would require US Internet companies to hand over all lists of
forbidden words provided to them by "any foreign official of an
Internet-restricting country" (as defined by the US State Department)
to a specially created US government office. It would also require
companies to report all content deleted or blocked at the request of
the host government to the same government office. This would put US
companies in a tough position in foreign markets if they are perceived
to be US government stooges - which this Act would in effect require
them to be. The Act would also result in US companies handing over
Chinese user information to the US government. Why would we ask companies to hand over Chinese user information to the US
government, when many Americans don't trust our own government with our
own personal data? Aren't we better off setting global standards to
protect all users from all governments everywhere?
Interesting points. As for Smith, he is still on a tear:
By using a combination of technology and an estimated force of 30,000
cyber-police to monitor, filter, and block critical content the Chinese
government prevents its people from having access to uncensored
information on political and human-rights topics. They only see what
Big Brother allows them to see. Women and men are going to the gulag
and being tortured as a direct result of information handed over to
Chinese officials. These are not victimless crimes. We must stand with
the oppressed, not the oppressors.
If you have access, read the editorial and see what you think. If I find an open copy on the web, I'll put up a link.